requires reading intelligence. you don't go into the meeting with the saudis without top secret. so some of the folks who don't have security clearances are going into those meetings, either reading it without authority or not reading it at all which is even more damaging. so all of this concerns anybody that's interested in national security. >> let me just to make the point obviously there could be many people involved with those talks, but one of those leading those talks jared kushner does not have full security clearance, it's been over a year, and still operating on ain interim. david, before we go, you know the porter family. what can you tell us? >> i do. well, first of all, our major concern should be of course with the women, victims here and i'm glad you are emphasizing this. also deeply saddening to see what is happening to the porter family. roger porter was the top domestic adviser in the white house. >> that's rob's father. >> he's been a friend. roger is the father. and he's a wonderful man. been a friend for years, over 40