predominantly. they were, in fact, seeking to disparage -- that's the indictment's term -- hillary clinton. and they may have embarked on these other ventures perhaps with the idea that they would aid donald trump. but clearly the overall objective was to aid him. and it is such a massive and sweeping plot and conspiracy to sabotage our elections. i've been calling it an act of war for some time. i think this indictment clearly shows that this informational warfare was an attack that constitutes an act of war, and we need to meet it effectively. >> it's also just interesting how limited, in fact, this indictment was, as stunning as it was, to use your term and shocking to some people. it was nothing about the dnc hacks, about the hacks of john podesta's e-mails or any coordination in how that information was released. >> that's a very good point, and