like? there's only three ways to capture this stuff, intercepts, having sources or what we call informants, and number three having people tell you, hey, we're talking to jared and we think he's vulnerable. the significance of this is not that mr. kushner was talking to foreigners. i look at his access and the access of the trump team and i say that's an advantage in america. they have a relationship with people overseas like russia that is almost unique in the american government. the problem he has is not that he met with people but that he didn't report the meeting and those in the security business say when you don't report it that gives you vulnerability to countries as you see here saying maybe he's exploitable. >> you worked for the director of national intelligence, you served in the marine corps for 25 years, what are the potential risks that the u.s. law enforcement or u.s. intelligence community sees why they're refusing to grant these top secret sei security clearances? >> there are a number of