he needs to do his job. >> so steve, that being said, why does the president keep attacking mueller if he is truly innocent? >> right, well, he is innocent and i disagree with that premise though from congressman gowdy as much as i admire him. in america and in any advanced law abiding country, we can't say okay, here's the investigation let's find the crime. there is no crime. there's no collusion. so we cannot empower a panel of investigators and lawyers to try to find -- and perhaps in my opinion, manufacture a crime. that's the way things are done in third world countries, not the way we do things in the united states. so -- >> what makes i think robert mueller's team would be manufacturing a crime? >> well, i'm glad you asked. what would make we think that? peter strok and lisa page -- >> they are not part of mueller's team. >> but they were. >> as soon as he found out he