a life of privilege. what you're seeing from joe biden is joe biden looking at him and there is a little bit of a privilege thing, a class war going on. >> and biden is saying he's the real deal, right? he's the real working class guy which is why obama wanted him on that ticket. he could talk to the working class white voters. >> let's talk about this move that is coming here shortly from the white house, where we're expecting tariffs on chinese goods. amid -- the reaction that we're seeing from china is clearly one indicating that they may be retaliating here. what is your expectation, mark, especially as there are big concerns that we're heading for a trade war. >> i say that, you know, i'm not the trade expert, i would suggest we watch what happens at the markets today, here in the united states, let's see what happens overnight and let's see what's going on around the world. i think you'll see some major, major concerns coming out of investors. >> do you think the white house is hearing this concern? very clearly the president campaigned on taking on trade issues, intellectual property,