this notion has already been cooked, baked. it's done. they kind of assume this about him and move on. and that -- you know, by the way, that also happened with bill clinton. >> yeah. >> his supporters new he was kind of a rakish guy and they said he was a good president and so that was fine. an i think that's what trump supporters are doing. >> you know what's funny about the bill clinton comparison, though, because that's one you hear him as well but that got him all the way to impeachment. >> that's right. >> it's not the best -- >> lying to the grand jury got him -- lying to the grand jury got him to impeachment. >> and lying can still happen in relation to this, particularly if you go down a campaign finance path because then it becomes a potential legal issue. >> and also if there's a deposition in the legal case, which now goes to federal court, if it gets -- if it gets that far and the president were to get deposed. so you have a president right now who's fighting the battle on