before his election and since then that the president will often threaten lawsuits against people and those lawsuits against people or organizations, those lawsuits do not happen. since such an action would require a presidential deposition, do you believe it's an empty threat? >> i do believe it's an empty threat. i think that the kind of letter that you're referring to that was sent last night -- and by the way, it was sent on behalf of michael cohen, it was not sent on behalf of president trump unless there's another letter out there i'm unaware of. >> no, you're right. >> i saw that as an empty threat. if you believe that something was done in that broadcast last night that gives you a claim, you file that claim. you stop already with the threats. i don't think the president wants any piece of this. i think what the president would like to do, and it's a tough needle for him to thread, is to argue through counsel that he had nothing to do with michael cohen's negotiation. however, it is a valid agreement and he'd like to see it enforced. and that's what he's trying to do through federal court upholding the arbitration.