this is when it all takes place. so we call it hush money here. >> so you're saying stormy daniels was trying to extort money from michael cohen? >> that's what you do from a 12-year -- she's claiming she had sex 12 years ago. >> who had contact with michael cohen from -- >> it happens every day in america. >> you're saying stormy daniels or her team were trying to extort money from donald trump. >> i believe it's a legal form of extortion. when you use a lawyer to try to extract that and she talked about it -- >> but who was -- >> by the way, she said the contract was solid, rock solid. >> but who was -- you're saying keith davidson contacted michael cohen to extort money? >> she -- she admitted it. it's a legal form of extortion. >> she was saying that people were coming to her with -- >> coming to her and then she got the best deal that she could possibly get from michael cohen. but it's a form of extracting as much money as possible. that's what it is. >> all right. >> i want to step back for a moment.