administration, the prior administration, the authority to expeditiously remove these people without the same protections as the rank and file. and the prior administration didn't do so. dr. shulkin didn't do so. and so nothing changed at the v.a. and he really needed to go. >> and how about dr. jacks jackson? is he qualified to changes the calcified culture in. >> unless he removes a good number of those people, unless he cleans house, certainly it is my position only the v.a. can be cleaned up by somebody outside the v.a. but if he thinks that he can just -- given his personality he can weigh in, he will change things, that just won't happen. and the v.a. will continue to fail our veterans. >> so am i hearing you right, you are concerned about this appointment from the president? this pick? >> i'd be concerned about any appointment. i just think that unless this