aside from the fact that it's obviously a noteworthy and clickable headline to say scott pruitt, epa administrator is seen as kato kaelin by his landlord but big picture from an ethics point of view, why does this matter? >> why it matters there's a question as to whether this was a gift. and even aside from the gift question, a capital official potentially behaving badly. one of the principles of the ethics program is that federal employees will honor all of their just financial obligations. if he's freeloading off a landlord who wants him out, that's very weird behavior for a federal employee and doesn't reflect well on the government. >> before we wrap this up, obviously, this is one of many alleged ethics violations or questionable behaviors where he talked about renting a room from the energy lobbyist, raised two aide salaries after the white