judge rules but i'm surprised he spoke on the issue at all. >> it is -- i feel like i'm watching "dynasty" from the '80s. >> or "falcon crest." >> or "dallas." "knott's landing." michael, there's a reason i saved you for last. i want you to tie all this up. you worked for robert mueller and i saved the last question for you. talk to me about the tactics he and his team could use here. >> in terms of whether they get an interview or in the course of an interview? >> either way. go on. >> so i think that mueller and his team wants an interview of the president because there is no way they can write the final report at least on the obstruction matter and perhaps on the coordination and conspiracy matter without hearing from him. i don't think there is evidence that exists outside of the oral testimony of the president that would allow them to skip the interview.