>> we don't know what information the government has. right now the government doesn't know what information they have because judge wood has said i can't let you look at it yet until i determine whether or in the i am going to have a special hasser the review this, if there is any privileged material. we really don't know what's in that information. but i do agree this is not like a law school examination, if the president obstruct justice? is the president involved with some illegal conspiracy with the russians? those are more difficult questions to answer than was the president engaged in money laundering? did he make a false statement? the one thing i'm certain of is that neither michael cohen nor donald trump had any expectation that one day prosecutors from the southern district of new york would be looking through their files for evidence of a crime. they were not thinking he would be president at that time. sloppiness, negligence, this is no telling what we will see in those documents. >> what do you think? page says he was trying the come up with other clients. i mean the president is not his