trump's governance is a development. >> kevin, do you see this more as a partisan interpretation of, this or do you think there's some there there? >> i think it is a very interesting development. i want to call balls and strikes regardless of who's pitching. i think this is very concerning. it's going to be something of significant interest to the mueller investigation. at the same time, we know russians' interest in the election is to kind of mess up, to sow seeds of distrust. if this is somebody tied to the russians, the meeting is bad, but her wavering back and forth and stirring this up, i don't think that's any surprise to any of us. >> kevin does make a good point there. seems as though she had a different story at different times. she now is saying that she's an informant of the russian government, whether or not that means she's a full-blown agent and had ties to the putin regime is a whole other matter. but how important from the aspect of the house investigation are these revelations about her role in all of this? >> well, i think there's been