they're evidence based. we know journalism can get it wrong, science can get it wrong. but the idea is to approach problems trying to pursue the accurate view of objective reality. there is no safe haven for journalism or or for intelligence other than our pursuit of the truth. and that's why we have such high friction with this administration. >> how do you respond to the criticism or the critics who say this is just anti-trump hysteria, that he's actually doing the opposite of what you say, that he's actually trying to make america great again? >> i talk in the book about going to pittsburgh and inlitzii enlisting my brother to get some folks in the room. folks that don't sound like me. most were friends. i knew them, i grew up with them. so i wanted to understand why they felt the way they did. and there is a legitimate concern on their part that they have been forgotten by people, i guess, like me, people like you,