purpose. what is more sort of indicative of what caroline is saying, whether this is a civil or willful violation is the manner in which the payments were made, the funneling it through a law firm, using a limited liability company that was just set up a few days, essentially, before that. then this repayment through these $35,000 incremental payments, including taxes and profit, if i were a prosecutor on this case, and i expect the prosecutors to have already achieved this, i want the tax returns of michael cohen and the trump organization and trump individually, because i want to see how these payments and repayments are treated. if they are as giuliani said, once, to protect the marriage, that's not a business expense that is deductible. we'll see whether the trump organization tried to deduct it. if it is for -- if it is for the protection of the stormy