that you supported the decision of the cia's deputy director of operations to order the destruction of those videotapes depicting the use of the i.t.s. would you still support that order today? >> senator, i would not. as i said, it is very important that people learn that experience is a good teacher and the piece that was missing from the tapes was making sure that we had all of the stakeholders' concurrence. there is also another very important leadership lesson, when your officers are concerned about their physical security you can't let it languish in your inbox with no action. >> we should support that security. why couldn't the agency have simply digitized that video and then blacked out the faces of any agents in those videos? why -- why actually destroy the videotapes? doesn't that feel like a cover-up even if it isn't?