hours, our reporting about other attempts to get business. at that time, the president told giuliani that he was not aware of the situation. and giuliani said, obviously now things are getting a little bit more -- the word he used was contorted. but then giuliani went on to say he's only going to be concerned about it if somebody says this involves the president. and so far they are not saying it. now, again, this is giuliani saying he spoke to the president only once about the notion of michael cohen. basically trying to sell access. president didn't know about it. but has not spoken to him since our reporting about the volume with which the -- michael cohen tried to do this. >> so you talked to rudy giuliani fairly often, especially lately. he gives you information. did you get the sense that he is completely confident that the