and though it's been loosened some, the moratorium is still in effect today. >> dave: what was the spirit of people in '92? >> jeremy c: destroyed. >> jeremy b: think about it, think about your number one industry -- >> dave: no one could fish? nothing? zero? >> jeremy c: it went from going out to jig a fish with your family or whenever you wanted to absolutely nothing. so it just like tore the heart and soul out of people. >> fred: what did people change cod for? tilapia? >> dave: can i ask this though, was it warranted? the closing down of the fishery? >> jeremy b: yeah, it was. i think it was. i mean, a loof the in-shore, small guys were talking about it for years, talking about, "we can't keep this up." like, factory trawlers, and the fishery was just getting bigger and bigger. and it's like, how do you put a factory trawler that's just dragging the seas from multiple countries, including our own, for years and years and not have an effect. >> jeremy c: it was very dark times. >> anthony: but better now? getting better? >> jeremy b: from what we've seen, and talking to fishermen