of wiretapping by president obama, it -- with the exception of the three million illegal votes where there's no evidence, with a lot of these conspiracy theories, he will take a kernel of something and kind of twist it into this conspiracy theory where the deep state government is -- is kind of out to get him. it's clear he doesn't trust the apparatus of government that's around him. and this is just the latest example of it. and you know, add that to him sort of -- kind of flailing around, trying to protect himself and undercut the mueller investigation and, you know, it moves on from there. >> there's this really fascinating moment with lesley stahl that i think feeds into this because you say he doesn't trust the institutions around him -- i mean, maybe he does trust the institutions around him, but he doesn't -- their findings may not be favorable to him, right? he tries to undermine them. and just as he does -- >> us in particular -- >> as he does with the press. listen to this moment. >> he said, you know why i do