i think the president is wrong. if you look at what jeff sessions has done on immigration, on migration, all the key, of the justice department, i think sessions has personally done an excellent job. >> that's why he is still there. when people say why doesn't the president fire him, it's because of those policies. >> i think the reason the president didn't fire him is because his lawyers won't let him. after being repeatedly humiliated. >> and if he resigns, trump gets to reappoint. if he's fired, then you have the fact of rosenstein becoming the attorney general and the senate not confirming the replacement. so there is a bit of double jeopardy. sessions hasn't only been personally loyal, he has been an implementer of his policies. very conservative policies. >> but he is also saying that it was easy to anticipate that he would have to recuse himself.