she had in the past that look, my blog was hacked into. this isn't really what i said. now she's sort of taking ownership of what has been surfaced on her blog post saying i don't recognize this person but i apologize. how does that square with what she said in the past, that it was a result of hackers? >> it doesn't square. and she's trying to now, i think, bury that. i think most people feel like that was a desperate explanation. >> how can you bury that? then that was a lie. >> you can't. you have to acknowledge that, too. that i felt desperate and sort of made that up. that goes to her current credibility, which is why the network isn't compelling her to do that. msnbc values her, that's clear. they made certain decisions about her that you can say why is this inconsistent with things they have done in the past? the brian williams case in which they suspended brian. the more interesting case is billy bush, involved in the famous "access hollywood" tape