this up faster. but i've seen no evidence to the contrary of the initial assessment that chairman gowdy has made. >> in the middle there, he was trying to be careful and be differential to the conservatives who are on team trump. but at the beginning and the end, the speaker was saying, mr. president, you're wrong, stop it. >> yes, in a word, yes, is what he's doing. you also get a peak of what's been going on as ryan has tried to walk a careful line with devin nunes and the conservatives in their conference, and the reason why trey gowdy has been involved in a lot of this. the speaker trusts him, thinks highly of trey gowdy. his role throughout all of this, and gowdy's willingness to talk about this on fox news and his perspective gave ryan an opportunity to talk about something that's happened behind closed doors. gowdy laid this out there. now the speaker has backed it up, walked the line a little bit, but backed it up.