other people do it, too. they get called out. joe biden was chased and had to admit when he was wrong. so does al gore. so did obama. so does everybody except this man in your estimation. and that's why -- >> that's not true. chris, chris -- >> you have never said the president should go out and apologize for this. the president should admit it, never. you always say somebody else did something else. false equivalency, is what we call it. that's why people who watch this show -- not all, but some -- will say oh, you're having him on? you're having her on. all they do is lie and spin. they never tell the truth about anything did you. don't have them on anymore. is that's where we've arrived. this is unhealthy. it's unproductive. you know they weren't telling the truth about what happened on that plane. why not just call it out. your integrity. >> chris, chris, look, look, look, i had nothing to do -- i wasn't on the plane. >> but you know that jay sekulow went from saying he had nothing to do with it to saying he dictated it. >> when you have him on, you can ask him about it. >> he won't come on, that's the point. you can say they got it wrong,