purina pro plan. nutrition that performs. hello, welcome back. all right, president trump is making it clear he enjoys his pardoning powers. and he says he is considering thousands of cases right now. >> we are looking at literally thousands of names of people that have come to our attention that have been treated unfairly or where their sentence is far too lock. >> all right, joining me now, civil rights attorney and law professor avery friedman and criminal defense attorney richard herman. good to see you both. >> good to see you, fredricka. >> okay, so let's talk about why does the president want to focus on pardons now, avery, in your view? >> because he might be facing the question of whether or not he's going to pardon himself.