crossing of the line with the north of nuclear provocation and testing. and unsatisfying response by the west led by the united states, by china and our allies that involved just economic sanctions, which is not to say that they didn't have teeth and didn't hurt and weren't effective, but it was a cycle. it was really a vicious cycle that was not getting the job done. and for us to be in this position where there is a discussion of a different way forward, we have to be cautious about it. and we have to be cautious because especially in our media age which captures the moment and not the process, we can't forget that there's a long process ahead. and that's what's important. what is it that we're actually getting out of this because as tony says and others have pointed out, what kim wanted coming into this was relatively modest. he wanted to be seen as the man. you know, as an international leader, not a pariah, not a dictator who starves his own people, we can't forget that,
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