the policy of separating children from their parents at the border didn't, of course, just arouse passions in the united states. no less authority than the pope spoke out about it backing catholic leaders who had called it moral. macron, trudeau, even the supreme leader of iran, of all people, criticized the policy. and the human rights chief said it was unconscionable and called for it to be halted. zeid raad al hussein joins me now from geneva. you quoted the american association of pediatrics and said this is essentially government-practiced child abuse, government-sanctioned child abuse. the administration's response, even though it has not reversed policy, has been to say, look, we cannot allow people to come