somewhat from the protester that's on lady liberty, but they're trying to spread this message of opposing the president's immigration policies. obviously, this is not the right way to do it. >> right, it really isn't. look, there is an important conversation for people to be having here. and if people want to bring attention to the fact that they believe these immigration policies, these policies by the president are inhumane, there are proper ways to do this. i mean, driving down the street here in washington, there are people who are putting up signs across the highway. there's all kinds of ways to do civil disobedience, without putting people in danger. and this is extremely dangerous. i think the preference here for these police officers is to try to coax this person to come to her senses and to come down willingly. because there are other -- the other option is to try to force her down and that puts her in disabling, that puts these officers in danger. >> you could have a mishap and you just don't know. >> right. there are so many ways that this could go wrong. and that is a great distance for someone to fall.