it would be interesting. if she was selected, we'd get a scalia clerk pick for the kennedy seat and a kennedy clerk pick for the scalia seat, justice gorsuch. >> bill, you get the last word. you've been critical of the president but if he picks another conservative judge will you approve? >> yeah, it's a good list, i agree with ken on that. i talked to people who talked to the president or people close to the president, i think kavanaugh will not get it. i this he's a good judge but he's a d.c. circuit judge, an insider. easy for democrats to attack on those grounds and doesn't add anything. i think the two judges in the midwest, hardiman and kethledge give you more of a gorsuch-li gorsuch-like -- people who didn't go to ivy league law schools and i agree with ken that amy barrett would be a risky and daring pick so the decision becomes a confirmation