european countries need to spend more as barack obama said and george bush before that th, the are on a schedule. >> they're talking about building a second pipeline that would supply even more russian fuel. >> they're going to become more dependent. >> and circumvent ukraine in the process. general hertling, here's the thing. it's rhetoric from the president right now but when it comes to backing away from the collective defense of our nato allies, we have not seen action. do you think this president is actually ready to do that? >> i think there's a strong possibility, poppy, he has ji jack it had agenda, focused on this bizarre 2% of gdp issue which he doesn't understand. there's more to this.