own access to white house.gov. for what reason would you not tell us the president is talking to other world leaders? >> there is no up side for the white house on this other than perhaps they're not totally sure when those conversations are happen or what the details of those conversations are. the point of this, and you make an important point. usually they're rather benign. margaret and i did it a lot with the obama administration. you read the tea leaves. you want to know if there's a sentence there that's different or making note of something. sometimes that can be important and drive news or let you know what they're trying to say. this specifically allows the white house to frame the conversation and get out in front and not allow another country to tell you what's happening. >> i don't think this will be followed through. what's going on is the white house is dialing back what has been this policy of doing some kind of read-out of every call which actually past administrations didn't do. i think they'll be a little more selective in the calls they read out, but if they don't already get it in the next couple of days they will.