>> what is going on? >> you can tell by listening to the tape that it is being set up. somebody is turning the tape recorder -- i'm going to call it a tape recorder but you can tell someone is turning the cell phone on. it is obviously in their pocket, it is being moved and moving it around to create the rustling sound at the beginning of the tape. what is interesting is, you don't hear the rustling sound any time after that. >> it is crystal clear. >> after that, it is not sitting in somebody's pocket because every time they move, they make the rustling sound. so you don't hear that on any of the tape, even at the very end, so there's no act of someone turning it on. >> would that make you think, we weren't there, we don't know, but would michael cohen be like, okay, mr. trump. and then have it out? >> that is a plausible thing. he puts down the recording and it stays there and isn't moving. >> how about at the very end of the tape?