mostly with -- >> some executives, with fixer, this close con fidant who you say it is a pathological liar, what does that say about the president's judgment? >> he made -- he turned out to have a close friend betray him like brutus put the last knife into caesar -- i think they both trusted those people. it happens in life, that you get double crossed -- i'm not going to mention them. i've had people that i work with under tremendous stress, remarkable people who turn out to be terrible disloial and dishonest. >> it seems like what happened is that michael cohen after he got in trouble -- after he was raided by the fbi and as i know the southern district of new york is looking into some of his business dealings, it seems like he was sending out clues or sending up some flares and looking for some reinforcement or reassurance from his long