michael flynn's firing, because that involves what james comey alleges that donald trump said to him. you look at all of them. they're all interrelated to james comey, and they're also essentially the same way michael cohen was essentially wiretapping donald trump, right? he has his iphone and he's copying it. these contemporaneous memos that james comey say have probative value, which mueller clearly does. then mueller has this relationship with james comey that i find to then investigate the firing of james comey, when you lobbied barack obama for him to be your successor, there's something -- there's a problem with that. >> it does seem, though, that we don't really know -- i mean it's one thing for us to talk about the mueller investigation because of little leaks, things that have leaked out or things that have been ascertained because of court documents. we really don't know the vast iceberg that's underneath the surface. >> and that goes exactly to why robert mueller, to this point, he's spent a lot of money. he's almost spent more money than ken starr has spent in all these years, can issue some kind