presidency and he can set the tone. tone does come from the top. it makes it more incumbent on us, all of us in the public sphere and that's all of us, all have a public sphere. like michelle obama, when they go low, we go high. that gives us responsibility to do that. and stand up and push back. we don't have to suck come to that. >> you're appealing to our better angels. what i said before, isn't there a lesson in it for all of us, appealing to our better angels. i'm really wondering, i hope you're right. does it work that way in this day and age when everybody else seems to be playing by the rules except one person or a few people because the president doesn't play by the rules. >> these athletes or celebrities have individual agency. it is important for everyone to exercise their individual agency. what can i do here locally in my community that will make a