run? >> well, first of all, jake, thank you but don't interview me for 2020 yet, i'm not ready to be a candidate for 2020 but i'm used to skepticism. i've been in -- i grew up in the south side of chicago and have had an extraordinary experience living the american dream. and as a black man in lots of settings where i was not quote, supposed to be, you've got to know i'm accustomed to skepticism and i understand that a lot of people in a lot of settings have a bad habit of looking first at the cartoon of somebody and i have trained myself to look past the cartoon and understand how i have to invite people to look past the first cartoon they see of me. that's part of campaigning. should i go there as part of the experience i had in running for governor. i worked as you know -- i think