and i think one of our jobs as journalists is not only to convey what's happening in washington to the rest of the country, but actually more importantly to tell washington what's happening in the country, and i think that's our special obligation. >> now we have these analytics as well as polling and people were looking at where the thermometer was on the race and what the percentage chances were that hillary clinton would win and they were pretty high. is that a service? were people sort of unintentionally misled? >> for us it was the famous needle that made us think she couldn't be beat. i think i would do that needle over again. i think the presentation was too simplistic. i do think it does a service. i do think that first off it generates interest in politics. generates interest in the campaigns. i do think we want people engaged and deeply interested in politics and, look, you would