i'm interested in what came out when the president didn't know that people were listening. >> interesting. go ahead, jack. >> to your last point there, they not only didn't raise executive privilege, they pretty much waved it. so i think it's going to be very difficult for them now to reel this back in. the other thing i wanted to mention was the initial reporting the new york times about mcgahn's providing testimony indicated he was doing so because he was afraid he was be set up. that speaks volumes. clearly somebody who feels they might be set up thinks one or more people in the office in which he works, that is to say in the administration, has exposure, legal exposure and he wanted to make sure he was not the one hold thing bag. >> which was the motivation for dean coming forward.