economy, look at soybean farmers in the middle of if countly who have taken a huge negative blow because of the tariffs and the serious damage that it caused them. what about those american workers? >> i believe the net-net will be good for american workers. when you implement bad trade policy for almost 40 years and do business with a partner that doesn't respect your values or laws, some day there's a reckoning. you have to show them if you're going to enjoy their market, they have to support certain values you have and allow you access to theirs. the pain will be far less, poppy; than people say. in our industry there's been an exodus out of china to other asian countries for the last ten years. >> how do you know that, michael? >> how do i know that? >> all of these tariffs have not