statement saying this pardon is not something being discussed in the white house. the president has not made a decision on pardoning paul manafort or anyone else. just because the discussion is not happening at the white house doesn't mean it isn't happening at other places, at bedminster or anywhere else. interesting to see the white house parsing its words over this issue. clearly, anderson, this is something under discussion, something been on the president's mind and appears it's been on the president's mind lately, as well. >> to hear the president yet again go after attorney general jeff sessions, going after him in that interview, we will talk to him more about it later. where do things stand on that? >> you heard him earlier on fox, what kind of man is this, once again seizing on this recusal jeff sessions decided to go with early on in the administration to stay out of the russian investigation. that has obviously been under the president's skin ever since