year, if they have incomes. and he has a job training program for them where they learn to be coders, computer coders. and 11 months later, it's a free program, they graduate into jobs averaging $85,000 a year in the tech industry. now, that can be done. >> all right. i still remain somewhat skeptical that with all these microefforts, the estimates are we need to spend something on the range of $3 trillion to rebuild american infrastructure to make the economy competitive. >> actually a little more. >> more. so where is the money going to come from? >> first, exactly what steve is describing around new york is what we've seen in mississippi, in south carolina, in fresno, all of the other places. our experience is exactly the same on that. i can imagine two futures. here is the future i hope for, which is that the accumulation of real world, real time experiments happening in thousands of places right now, will produce both ideas and sort