it's evidenced in his tweets, and it's supported by what you see in that book. and so it's disturbing from the standpoint of his defense, but it's more disturbing from the standpoint of the fact that the guy is president of the united states, and we're having this conversation. >> but anderson, here's the odd thing. all of his lawyers do not want him to testify. the reason that john dowd quit was because after this mock interview he said to the president, you can't -- i can't as your lawyer let you sit before the special counsel. but the president himself still believes that if he went mano a mano with bob mueller, that he would be able to come out of it just fine, because that's the way he views the world. it's me against him. >> just one final point. what the lawyers learned -- had told mueller was the president of the united states is not fit to come up here and testify to you personally.