star -- >> that's going to continue to be a lode star >> jack's lode star must again be our lode star >> vigilance and resolve will be our lode star. >> it really was the lode star. >> pence has publicly denied writing the op-ed. what do you make of the use of this word? do you think it's a deflection still, right? juliet? >> yes, i do. yeah, i think it's just too obvious. the person who wrote it knew that the term would be utilized or cross-referenced against pence. you know, it may be that the person is in vice-president pence's office. we simply don't know at this stage. i will -- a couple things. part of this is -- you know, it's been over 24 hours and the person is not known. so i think there is some level of sophistication in terms of how 2they contacted "the new yok times" through an intermediary. they used personal or even professional computer. they were clearly -- might have been talking encrypted, communicating that way. this is someone who is