to the conclusion. >> judge gertner, do you buy her argument. >> any fbi investigation, it's not in secret. you're asking neighbors fbi knocks on a neighbor's door and then the fbi people figure out you're being investigated by the fbi. >> yeah, but if the argument here is that this investigation by -- if the fbi were to investigate it would somehow be tainted because the information has already come out, then surely a hearing without the benefit of any investigation is even more problematic. the notion here that the president could not pick up the phone and say, can you look further into this allegation just doesn't make sense. and the fact that it's public she has made it public. that would mean that people would be more prepared but that doesn't disqualify the investigation any more than this hearing does. >> carrie, i want you to respond to that. >> the allegations are vague enough. there's flow location you can go to. you can't dust for prints.