understand. he mentions the return of remains of u.s. soldiers from the korean war. hostages and the fact there have been no nuclear tests or missile tests, claiming that as tremendous progress. still, as you know, no progress on denuclearization. the president also referenced the kavanaugh case saying it's a very sad case and he wants to see it fixed. let's go to the panel now. david drucker, the president seems to be redefining what amounts to progress with north korea, does he not? because by the president's administration's own standards, the standard was reverse -- irreversible steps, verifiable, irreversible steps on denuclearization. all the stuff the president cited there easily reversible. no dimunition of the program. >> it was complete verifiable irreversible denuclearization. that's nothing we have seen. look, i think it's possible,