settle it through their political reflection. if suzanne collins with the help of jeff flake, lisa murkowski or ben sasse says slow down, she says there was someone else in the room, how can we not make that person answer questioning under oath, then mitch mcconnell's fast train timetable is off the track. if that gets off the track, this is in question anyway. if it gets off the track, it is even more in question. >> a point i have heard from democrats on capitol hill is republicans push back -- i'm sorry. democrats push back when people say doesn't brett kavanaugh deserve the presumption of innocence. they say this is not a criminal trial. why would you ask such a question? but what democrats say is republicans keep pushing that line, presumption of innocence. but they don't do what is also accompanying a criminal trial, which is the idea of a full investigation, other witnesses. so they say you can't have it both ways. >> that's an excellent point. we're only moments away from