greater sense that this guy is not -- that he doesn't go to the court with a big cloud over his head. that's really important for the country. >> joan, you're no fan of judge kavanaugh. we've talked a lot about this. the emotion, what he said today, did it have an impact on you? did it make you think twice? >> not a bit. no. thank you for saying what you did, david, so i didn't have to say it as the -- as one of the women at the table. i was struck by, let's take a step back from the vote. we saw a portrait of acceptable behavior for men and for women today and it was devastating. dr. ford was restrained. she was earnest. she was deferential. she was polite. she was patient. she said, i'd like to be collegial. she didn't interrupt. she listened. judge kavanaugh came out and insulted the democratic senators, talked about a left wing conspiracy, revealed himself -- reminded us all that he worked for kenneth starr. his own partisan origin story.