interview that they -- basically saying the same sentiment that i had. you can do these other things and still get good grades, still have a great job. that's why they call people functioning alcoholics. i'm not saying that he was. but there is that term. there are functioning addicts. there are people who are very high performing who have -- who deal with issues. they're not mutually exclusive. >> exactly. and we saw that dr. jekyll and mr. hyde kind of phenomenon on the fox news interview just a few days ago. brett kavanaugh was the choir boy. and that was his approach. he got yelled at by donald trump that he blew that interview on fox. so today we saw the other side of kavanaugh. he seems to have a duality to him. there are these two different sides. and i don't think he helped himself in history by being as brutal as he was today. i think he's trying to just placate the rs -- >> i think you're being generous. >> combative. >> when he walked in, douglas, you could see it in his face. game face on.