credible when you use the word scam? >> i think that lindsey graham underscored what is wrong in the u.s. senate today and what we should all be fearful of. the senate is on trial as far as i'm concerned. democracy is on trial. what's happening is our institutions are devolving. the senate has always been a collegial, deliberative, consensus-building institution. when you require at least 60 votes to confirm a supreme court justice, you found compromise and members coming together. when you only need 50 plus the vice president of the united states, then you are no longer looking for consensus. i personally think even if the democrats were to regain power in the senate, we should return to a 60-vote requirement. the supreme court shouldn't be another political football. >> jackie spear, thank you very much for being with us.