calls from her state, from the white house, from senate leadership. and so often in politics we talk about this being a game of chess or even three dimensional chess. this is good old fashioned checkers now. republicans trying to make sure she's a yes. democrats trying to make sure they don't lose joe manchin. >> do you -- that's so true. do you assume it can change between her voting yes on the procedural vote and in 3:00 p.m. when she announces? or do you think it's decided she just hasn't announced? >> we don't know. if you look at what john mccain did with the health care vote, he voted yes on the procedural, and very dramatically gave the thumbs down. this whole process has been an ugly one and also about moments. we know at 3:00 p.m., we'll have another moment that we're all going to be watching. >> for manchin or democrats right now, what can democrats do at this point, joe? >> they can't do very much. i mean, they're on the sidelines just like president trump is on the sidelines, because unless they can influence manchin.