retraumatized and i think that it more than ever, we just have to keep speaking out. so yes, i think it's definitely worth it. >> deborah, you said you were worried about them. what are you worried about? >> i think when a -- when her sexual trauma, you know, involved being laughed at and being helpless and both of those things have happened, she's been laughed at by the president of the united states with people applauding and laughing. so, i can only imagine from what i know about trauma that she is probably feeling a whole host of intolerable, terrible feelings right now. >> well, thanks for coming on and speaking with me. i can imagine i can hear it in your voice that it's such a difficult time for you and the family. thanks for coming out. >> it is. thank you, kate. "outfront" for us next, senator joe manchin, he's under attack as the only democrat voting yes on kavanaugh, but with that, did he just save his senate seat? and some democrats are already talking about impeaching